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Brandyboy wrote: 17 Jan 2024 08:29
I can't vote living here but I tend to agree as well. I was also a life long supporter of the Tories but I think it's now time for a change.
Yes, but whatever the question, Labour (Starmer & Rayner) are not the answer.
You can trace the start of teh real demise to the Blair/Brown axis of evil with Campbell & Mandleson pulling the strings.
Illegal wars, freedom of movement, more PPE hospitals than the Tories, devolved goverment - all have had distasterous consequences for the UK, and Starmer will just increase the problems.
I take it you mean PFI hospitals, a disaster I agree.
Of course Labour are not the answer. They think they can finance everything out of scrapping non-dom status and adding VAT to tuition fees. We are less than one year out from a General Election and outside of those two measures what are their policies?
For me the demise of the UK started well before Brown and Blair, we should ask ourselves how that duo gained a 179 seat majority in 1997, it wasn’t because their Tory predecessors had performed so brilliantly during the previous 18 years. Certainly the electorate thought they had been a disaster.
So here we are, a choice between the Tories who are a complete indisciplined rabble, unfit to govern and a Labour Party that has no policies, probably equally divided but making a good job of hiding it until the gloves come off.
The real truth is that voters will run blindly into the arms of Starmer and Rayner for one reason, they have nowhere else to run. There’s the rub. God help us!!
Yes, PFI, lol.
The problem is the lack of choice offered to the masses. They're all globalist puppets, Boris, Starmer, Davy, Sunak almost every single one of them. Proper principled politicians like Lee Anderson don't stand a chance.
Just explain to the hard of thinking (me)how Labour can be any worse than this deceitful vile rabble i could go on and on about their time in government but although their apologists know full well the damage they have done but all they keep spewing out is "it will be worse under labour"
...worse than 230k dead millions wasted on track and trace,dodgy useless ppe lies and corruption......and what do we have now in election year STOP THE BOATS..which are a tiny percentage of overall immigration...but will appeal to the rednecks .Millions spent already and no one sent to Rwanda.....millions given to the french so that their police can stand on the beaches wishing them a hearty bon voyage as they desperately try to reach the UK.Now we have Jeremy Hunt promising tax cuts 13 years of screwing the nurses,doctors etc and now tax cuts.....really? Worse under Labour...let's see shall we.....give your heads a wobble.
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Army of stars wrote: 19 Jan 2024 15:56Just explain to the hard of thinking (me)how Labour can be any worse than this deceitful vile rabble i could go on and on about their time in government but although their apologists know full well the damage they have done but all they keep spewing out is "it will be worse under labour"
...worse than 230k dead millions wasted on track and trace,dodgy useless ppe lies and corruption......and what do we have now in election year STOP THE BOATS..which are a tiny percentage of overall immigration...but will appeal to the rednecks .Millions spent already and no one sent to Rwanda.....millions given to the french so that their police can stand on the beaches wishing them a hearty bon voyage as they desperately try to reach the UK.Now we have Jeremy Hunt promising tax cuts 13 years of screwing the nurses,doctors etc and now tax cuts.....really? Worse under Labour...let's see shall we.....give your heads a wobble.
Your arguement can be summed up like this: the current lot are crap, so let's have a change.
That is regardless of cogent policies and talent. Mock all you like, a Starmer/Rayner government will drag the public finances down even further.
What is actually needed is a return to left v right politics, not all this centrist nonsense we have now.
Army of stars wrote: 19 Jan 2024 15:56Just explain to the hard of thinking (me)how Labour can be any worse than this deceitful vile rabble i could go on and on about their time in government but although their apologists know full well the damage they have done but all they keep spewing out is "it will be worse under labour"
...worse than 230k dead millions wasted on track and trace,dodgy useless ppe lies and corruption......and what do we have now in election year STOP THE BOATS..which are a tiny percentage of overall immigration...but will appeal to the rednecks .Millions spent already and no one sent to Rwanda.....millions given to the french so that their police can stand on the beaches wishing them a hearty bon voyage as they desperately try to reach the UK.Now we have Jeremy Hunt promising tax cuts 13 years of screwing the nurses,doctors etc and now tax cuts.....really? Worse under Labour...let's see shall we.....give your heads a wobble.
Your arguement can be summed up like this: the current lot are crap, so let's have a change. That's a bit of an over simplification however true don't you agree.
That is regardless of cogent policies and talent. Mock all you like, a Starmer/Rayner government will drag the public finances down even further. Really !! please provide proof of that..something a tad more tangible than i'm a tory supporter so Liebour must be crap.
What is actually needed is a return to left v right politics, not all this centrist nonsense we have now. Don't you yearn for far right like Anderson.?.....why does politics have to be Right or Left....why does everyone seek joy in being in one camp or the other...why can't all the best people work together for the good of the nation....it seems like there has to be strife,wars or conflict to keep people in power at the expense of the rest of us.
The best thing about this forum is that it keeps frogface and his brood happy,cos they've nowt else to talk about.
Yes, but whatever the question, Labour (Starmer & Rayner) are not the answer.
You can trace the start of teh real demise to the Blair/Brown axis of evil with Campbell & Mandleson pulling the strings.
Illegal wars, freedom of movement, more PPE hospitals than the Tories, devolved goverment - all have had distasterous consequences for the UK, and Starmer will just increase the problems.
I take it you mean PFI hospitals, a disaster I agree.
Of course Labour are not the answer. They think they can finance everything out of scrapping non-dom status and adding VAT to tuition fees. We are less than one year out from a General Election and outside of those two measures what are their policies?
For me the demise of the UK started well before Brown and Blair, we should ask ourselves how that duo gained a 179 seat majority in 1997, it wasn’t because their Tory predecessors had performed so brilliantly during the previous 18 years. Certainly the electorate thought they had been a disaster.
So here we are, a choice between the Tories who are a complete indisciplined rabble, unfit to govern and a Labour Party that has no policies, probably equally divided but making a good job of hiding it until the gloves come off.
The real truth is that voters will run blindly into the arms of Starmer and Rayner for one reason, they have nowhere else to run. There’s the rub. God help us!!
Yes, PFI, lol.
The problem is the lack of choice offered to the masses. They're all globalist puppets, Boris, Starmer, Davy, Sunak almost every single one of them. Proper principled politicians like Lee Anderson don't stand a chance.
Lee Anderson?
Isn't he the hard right guy that says people can live on 30p a day, a hard Brexiteer, send refugees to Rwanda ... bring back the death penalty ..
I wonder why Bart likes him?
You are not just judged by the company you keep, but the company you keep away from.
I take it you mean PFI hospitals, a disaster I agree.
Of course Labour are not the answer. They think they can finance everything out of scrapping non-dom status and adding VAT to tuition fees. We are less than one year out from a General Election and outside of those two measures what are their policies?
For me the demise of the UK started well before Brown and Blair, we should ask ourselves how that duo gained a 179 seat majority in 1997, it wasn’t because their Tory predecessors had performed so brilliantly during the previous 18 years. Certainly the electorate thought they had been a disaster.
So here we are, a choice between the Tories who are a complete indisciplined rabble, unfit to govern and a Labour Party that has no policies, probably equally divided but making a good job of hiding it until the gloves come off.
The real truth is that voters will run blindly into the arms of Starmer and Rayner for one reason, they have nowhere else to run. There’s the rub. God help us!!
Yes, PFI, lol.
The problem is the lack of choice offered to the masses. They're all globalist puppets, Boris, Starmer, Davy, Sunak almost every single one of them. Proper principled politicians like Lee Anderson don't stand a chance.
Lee Anderson?
Isn't he the hard right guy that says people can live on 30p a day, a hard Brexiteer, send refugees to Rwanda ... bring back the death penalty ..
I wonder why Bart likes him?
He is right wing, but because everyone has moved left, he's now "hard right". It's not an insult to call someone right wing.
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